# SEE SAW

> A podcast you will never hear, about what independence means when technology can do almost anything for us, told entirely through what happens off air.

Piece, 2026. A reverse podcast: the listing, then the threads behind its episodes.

A podcast you will never hear, about what independence means when technology can do almost anything for us, told entirely through what happens off air.

## About the Piece

SEE SAW is a podcast presented by two blind women who agree on rather less than you might expect. You will never hear an episode. It is always off screen. What you get instead is everything around it: the listing, the emails, the invitations, the arguments about how to handle a guest.

It is a reverse podcast: a making-of told from the outside in. When Ellie Seeley and Sam Sawyer want to know how a Blind Ant work was made, they ask Charlotte Joanne, and they don't take the first answer.

Their first guest is the woman who turned [Come and Get Me](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/come-and-get-me/) into [a graphic novel](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/come-and-get-me/the-graphic-novel/). The making-of, in the end, is the work.

## Objects

- [The listing](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/see-saw/the-listing/index.md): SEE SAW's podcast listing: the show, its two presenters, and its episodes, with nothing to play.
- [Shared notes](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/see-saw/shared-notes/index.md): The SEE SAW thread so far: Ellie and Sam discover the graphic novel, invite Charlotte Joanne, get a reply with a weekend, £37 and a dog with no legs in it, and work out how to handle her.
- [After the interview](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/see-saw/after-the-interview/index.md): After the interview, which nobody will ever hear: Sam thinks they have been had, Ellie admits a sighted assumption, and Sam invents an accessibility audit for fiction.
- [Delayed. Again.](https://blind-ant.com/pieces/see-saw/delayed-again/index.md): Sam's robot has been delayed again, Ellie is insufferable about it, and somewhere between the price rise and the pavements they find out what each of them actually wants from a Glide.